EP05 Patrick Jones, Founder of Freedom For Life

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Chris Langley: Hi, welcome to the Addiction Recovery Place, the podcast to champion addiction treatments specialists around the world. I'm very pleased to introduce today's guest Patrick Jones. Patrick is a transformation coach, specializing in addiction recovery, who is also the founder of Freedom for Life. He developed the Seven Summits of Freedom on his own seven year healing journey from addiction.

Patrick helps many people who hide their pain from addiction and live a double life who want to stop. Patrick resides in Stamford, Connecticut with his four children. Welcome to the Addiction Recovery Place Podcast, Patrick. It's great to have you with us here today.

Patrick Jones: It's so good to be here. Thank you for having me on again. I look forward to chatting with you and your audience.

Chris Langley: Excellent. No, thank you very indeed. So let's just dive into a really nice, easy question start with. Tell us how and why you started Freedom for Life and your own journey to reach this point where you're at today.

Patrick Jones: Yeah, yeah. Good question. Good place to start. [00:01:00] So, you know, my journey, the freedom, the freedom, Seven Summits of Freedom is something I wish that I had. You know, my journey was a 15 year battle with addiction. I mean, it was in secrecy. I was hiding. I was lying, doing all the things to not actually move past it.

There was a part of me, that desperately wanted to heal, desperately wanted to break free, you know, and I kept it a secret. I didn't tell many people, I think one person for, for 10 years 2000 to 2015.

And my, my battle um, was physically with food addiction. Nicotine addiction and smoking.

Main one was food though. Was a multiple times a day, three to five times a day, where I was obsessing about food from the time I woke up to the, to the time I went to bed.

And I found a way to cope

Release all that guilt and shame that pops up.

And I used Bulimia as a strategy to do [00:02:00] that.

And so I became bulimic. I was labeled addict. I went to recovery centers that was thrown in them. Mental hospitals. And I wanted to find a way to break free, but I never could. I never could gain control over it. And ultimately, 2015, I was diagnosed with an eye disease called Keratoconus. And this eye disease got me back on the couch, depressed. I had four kids. Two were just born a year before. And there was a moment my, my, my twins, who were only, I think, one at the time, they tapped on my shoulder and they said, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, wake up! And I, I couldn't wake up. I couldn't see. I was legally blind.

I couldn't work. I was on disability. And in the, in that moment, I was thinking, Like, holy crap, like, I can't believe I'm here again. I can't believe I'm on the couch again, but there was a part of me that was like, maybe this is an opportunity I can actually break free from this and heal in some capacity. And I wasn't using the word healing, but I was like, how can I get out of this? [00:03:00] So more of me wanted to actually move past it than stay where I was in the 15 year battle. And so I went to my final recovery center in 2016, January. And they gave me these things called relapse prevention plan, this plan, and they said you need to go here for eight weeks afterwards, you need to be monitored, you need to be this and that, and I checked in with labels, all these things that the treatment centers do, and again, there's a place for them, but I was sick and tired of going, I

was sick and tired of them saying, you have to do this the rest of your life. And I sat there and I made a decision. I made a decision in the moment, Chris. I said, I am no longer coming back here ever again. I will find a way to heal, to move past this, to break free from this, from this destruction because my life matters. And I, and I can't live this way anymore. My kids need their dad.

So I went on a seven year journey. I could say [00:04:00] seven years. It's, it's a never ending journey, but seven years of um, uncovering the real me

breaking free from the shackles of addiction, but more importantly, rebuilding myself,

rebuilding my identity

Patrick Jones: Rebuilding and mastering my mindset, you know, and as a professional, you know, breathwork therapist, I'm a trauma informed therapist um,

as a somatic shadow work facilitator and all these, these certifications and mental mindset, mindset coach and NLP, all those things kind of came along the way. As I started to heal and break through and break free and unlock these different, different levels of freedom that I didn't even know it was there. ,

I started working with individuals and I always have for 20 years in coaching, but I started working with individuals to basically go through different parts of these, of the summit.

I call them the seven summits for our freedom. So these summits, so I would work with. a group of people that were struggling with binge eating or food addiction or any type of [00:05:00] addiction. And I would actually like test like, could this work for them?

And it did something that took me years to break free of.

They broke free in seven days and then added more tools. And then as I started going on my own personal journey over the last six years, I unlocked more levels. And I'm like, Oh, wait a second. There's this other level. That I didn't know existed, that I now have another sense of, of freedom in, in my own recovery journey. And so then I added that to, to the program and it started becoming this whole journey now called the Seven Summits of Freedom. That's kind of the, the, the longwinded answer for you on that kind of

how that got created. A

Chris Langley: Well, we're going to get a little bit deeper into that, but that's,

Patrick Jones: yeah, yeah.

Chris Langley: you've been on. So it's something that you've created yourself through your own addiction that wasn't any part of any other therapeutic model.

Patrick Jones: Not at all whatsoever. Yeah, probably a combination of 15 different models

of things that actually worked out of probably 100 things that I tried over the [00:06:00] years.

Chris Langley: Wow. Well, congratulations, first of mean,

of And what you've, what you've achieved since is quite remarkable. And this is why I'm very excited to speak to you today.

Patrick Jones: remarkable.

I'm I appreciate that. Yeah.

Chris Langley: what best, describes the model, the model, the Seven Summits of Freedom? So what best describes that?

And how did you decide to use it to help so many people with their own addictions? I mean, we've

of touched on that a little bit,

Patrick Jones: Yeah, yeah. So what best describes the model is the freedom for life model is a transformative healing journey. It integrates what I call somatic reintegration um, what I call uh, shadow work and also cognitive reformation. So there's no 12 steps, there's no labels. Basically what it does is it empowers individuals to achieve lasting change by really addressing the deep rooted causes of addiction and then uh, unlocking, like I said, different levels of freedom to bring back a new senses of [00:07:00] power.

Um, really the model is a full spectrum of the pivotal stages of my recovery. but also those that want to recover and move past the stage of recovery uh, and achieve total attainment in all areas and all domains of life and rebuild their life. That's what it

that's what the summary, I would say, would be for that.

Chris Langley: sounds perfect. I mean, I've, I've, Myself, I've worked in addiction treatment for many, many years, and this is a very new model. So it's, it's very exciting for me to be hearing about this today. And obviously I've looked up a lot about you. so what do you, what are your views on harm reduction?

Because that, seems to be a very staple treatment model.

And how do you think this plays a part in addiction treatment?

Patrick Jones: Yeah, I, you know, harm reduction I think is a really important piece. , I Think it's a very practical and a compassionate approach. I mean,

it um, really aims to uh, minimize the negative consequences of addictive patterns and behaviors, things like that. [00:08:00] Why I think it's crucial is because it meets the individuals on where they're at in their journey. And I think if you try to force somebody with you know, do this, you have to, you know, families forcing their, you know, loved ones into treatment and to things like that. It actually makes it worse. Like they don't, they get resistant toward it. So this offers more of a incremental steps toward healthier choices. And that allows them to make the choice themselves and know that it's available to them rather than being forced down their throat.

Chris Langley: I couldn't have answered that better myself. I mean, that's my a bit I'm a big champion of harm reduction and it's kind of muddied sometimes, but the answer you've just given is, I mean, that's perfect. So thank you for that. You described Freedom For Life. I want to read this a transformative Healing journey not found in any traditional recovery model, no 12 steps. No treatment or therapy. Sounds pretty progressive Can you go into some [00:09:00] detail about this model and how it enables people to address their addictions instead of the tried and tested models such as the 12 step which is the classic go to.

Patrick Jones: Yeah, let's let's go through that.

So this model, particularly, like I said, there's there's seven summits. What took me seven years, essentially 22 years of struggling. One can achieve and unlock different levels of freedom and simply six months. First step to that is taking back your power. The men and the women that I work with, when they, when they come into my program, they have a sense of powerlessness. And I think a lot of that is conditioned from, you know, 12 steps or other programs or conditioning that they have is they don't have power over their addiction. They don't have power to take control. And part of that is actually confronting truth. and confronting their current reality. And, [00:10:00] and so the things that fuel these addictive patterns is hiding, lying, secrecy. So it's about getting into an environment that someone might feel safe and what I call a tribal community. Um, I call it tribal transformation when you're in a community of people with the, with the same desire, healing and transformation happens faster. And so part of that journey, the seven summits is first becoming awakened to your current reality and confronting your belief system, confronting and investigating what's actually happening here and also looking at reclaiming power by actually getting back into integrity. Right? Because when you're out of integrity, and from my experience, the people I work with, it is the number one thing that fuels addiction. So how do we start creating habits of personal power immediately so that you can start to gain power in your, in yourself, in [00:11:00] the way you operate? And so that's kind of that first summit. And then once we gain some power, we take back control. We're not trying to stop the addiction. Instead, we're repatterning, repatterning the mind and dismantling it. Right by rewiring the neural pathways and in the second phase. It's about detoxing. Now, it's not like going to a treatment center and detoxing. This is a mental physical and emotional detox and what I mean by that is When you can create space between your current reality and what you want and just be in that space and hold that space and be in it and not have to do anything. There's a purging that happens, a release that happens emotionally by actually allowing yourself to feel these emotions. I call it emotional fluidity, where you allow yourself to feel everything that you didn't feel for 25 years and just being nothing to do, just being. [00:12:00] And there's a nutritional component as well. I believe very strongly that, you know, all these heavy metals, all these things in our bodies. They accumulate and the environment, toxins, things like that. So when we can detox mentally, emotionally provide space, allow all those emotions to rush through, feel them, accept them, then you're detoxifying and purging out the old self. Which is actually the, the, the real you, but feeling them and then all of a sudden it opens up space for new. And so that's where we go into the next summit, which is about healing. Healing your past to move forward. When you can do some somatic repatterning, cause the, the challenge, one of the things that fuels addictive patterns from my experience and also working with individuals, is unprocessed energy. When you could actually, Bring bring out the energy that's been stored for 20 years [00:13:00] from let's say you didn't allow yourself to cry because mom didn't wasn't okay to cry 20 years ago or you were in a fight with your girlfriend two years ago. And you know, you didn't have a chance to express anger and you stuffed it in. It all gets stored in the body. So through things like breath work, somatic work, and embodiment practices, rituals that are done daily and also weekly, you're able to like discharge all those unprocessed emotions. Right. And all of a sudden clarity, focus,, peace, and I get this every week is freedom.

What like one session freedom ultimate freedom. It's like Iknow this was possible because you're purging out and clearing out and bringing out space for more There's a lot more in the healing healing stage, but that's kind of a lot of that process The next phase is building building your identity, right?

One of the challenges that I had [00:14:00] 2017 through 19 was, I was asking the question, Chris, who am I? Who am I? Like I had stopped the binging and the purging. I had a smoking addiction in 16 to 17. I picked up, started rewiring my mind a little bit and really investigating my thoughts. But as soon as that opened up, I took this training called sole purpose blueprint where it asked the question.

I had to ask the question over three days at a training. Who am I? Like, what's my purpose? It was the scariest question ever, but who am I meaning? Like, what are my core values? What are, what are my gifts? Right? Who, who am I like, like what, like qualities in me can I actually be in that make it, in that it's okay to be me. So I had to uncover who am I, part of this process of rebuilding self is actually rebuilding your identity and how, who you really are. At the deepest core that you were born as, passions or gifts and all those things and [00:15:00] then from there it unlocks connection. One of the most important pieces for me, was radically accepting myself and loving myself because when, when, when, didn't love myself and accept myself, Any saboteur behavior happened.

Patrick Jones: It didn't matter what it was. Eating a peanut butter, a jar of peanut butter, or whether it was overworking, whether it was porn addiction that showed up on occasion.

Chris Langley: Yep. didn't Uh huh.

Patrick Jones: Yep Yep Okay Nobody liked me. My kids hated me. My kids threw rocks at my car, right? They didn't want to come out their dad on their, their weekends, even post divorce about five years ago until I started to rebuild each domain of my life and create specific targets of what I want my ideal life would look like and actually achieve them through a very specific process. And so this is what I do with, with, with men and women. And once [00:16:00] they reach these five summits, these four summits, Or five summits, then it's about time to rebuild their life, right? They're not ready rebuild that until they rebuild themselves and

heal and move past. then once they rebuild their life very quickly, what could take three years, you can do in 90 days and be in abundance in all areas of life. Then an interesting stage that I discovered about two years ago was this legacy um,

stage, the summit

Chris Langley: Yes.

Patrick Jones: living purpose, living vision driven and purpose driven. And this is where I'm at right now is at the highest level. What would fulfill you? And I asked myself this question even last year. If money wasn't an option, what would, what would fulfill me? Right?

Well, it's having a healing center in Connecticut where I live, where. Someone goes to transform from, from addiction into never needing to go to any treatment center or rehab ever again.

Chris Langley: [00:17:00] Yep.

Patrick Jones: Like, Oh, okay. So that's the path I'm on over the next three to five years.

But we get a man or a woman into that, that, that phase. And

what opens up at that point is giving back. It's service, it's mentoring, it's working with

others, um, and in their communities and

taking these gifts and these lessons they learned and actually Putting them into their work as a leader, putting them into their kids and, and putting all these lessons into their community for impact.

It's all about impact.

Chris Langley: That's, I'm trying to just I think the word you said,

important word, not, that was

wonderful what you just said, but

acceptance, acceptance is the key. I think with any um, I think you've got to have that point first before you move on. You've, you've got to, that's such a crucial thing that you just said there.

So thank you. Thank you very much for explaining to us.

Chris Langley: That's, that's the point incredible, that's an incredible program that you devised here. And I'm, I'm, I [00:18:00] applaud you greatly for this. Oh so what have you, what have you found to be some of the of working with addiction?

And how have you overcome some of these hurdles yourself? in, in, in helping those?

Patrick Jones: love the question. So I, over the years, working with different individuals uh, on

addiction, what I realize is the biggest challenge is being ready. Being ready and making the decision yourself. What I mean by that is for 12 years, like I said, I was thrown in all these different hospitals and different treatment centers, not because I wanted to, because they told me you need to go. They told me I'm blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, label so, so many memories of that.

And that's the same with people that I've worked with, meaning I've had people referred to me. They, they said, Hey, Hey, Hey, You know, my husband, John, is struggling. He needs your help. And So I took them [00:19:00] on, work with them. And I learned that someone has to be ready themselves. They have to make decisions themselves because the challenge I faced was that they weren't willing to do the work necessary to get any result.

just were not in a place of coming from here, coming from the internal desire to change, to heal, to move past it. And since then, I mean, people that I work with, moment they experience even a little bit of freedom, It's the game over because they know what's possible. They already know what's possible intellectually, but when someone can can internally embody and feel freedom for the first time in 20 years, they, there's no more challenges.

They're, they're, they're enrolled completely and they move forward. It's more of like, like I said, the people that ready. Right? And I know very quickly. I can feel it. I mean, I can, I can sense it. I know it because I was that guy. Like, I will find a way and I, and I see it. Right? And those are the people that, that, move [00:20:00] forward and they significant results in.

Chris Langley: So, do you, do you tell people up front you're not people They tell themselves, they, they end up uncovering that themselves.

Patrick Jones: Yes. Mm hmm. Yeah. So even a form that I have filled out, it's, there's questions in there and I have them intentionally to understand really where they're at and their readiness. Right. And I, I wouldn't sell someone that you're not ready. At the end of the meeting that we talk about, they're going to, they're going to tell me.

Yeah. They're going to tell me because I'm going to ask some questions. Where at? What's going on for you? You know, I come from a very empathetic approach because I've been in those

shoes. I, they, they know if this is, if this is the thing for them or not. And because it's a very personalized mentorship and coaching and training that I do gotta be like that, right, right match.

This is, I don't have some big treatment [00:21:00] center. It's really personalized coaching and mentorship.

So it's got to be that shot, that right dive together. If that makes sense.

mean, dealing with that very sensitively, but, know, just approaching that maybe you need to address a few other things or get to that first point of acceptance is quite a,

Yeah I'd say,

I will add Chris. I will add this this thing. This is important. You know, there's individuals that really do need treatment.

They're not they're not stable. I, I needed it. I will, I will admit I needed to go into several recovery centers because I wasn't on medications. I probably should have, should have been on just to stabilize me. I have a treatment team.

There is a need for treatment centers.

It's

of course.

destination, there some people

that I'll, I will say to them, Hey, here's what I want you to do first. And this is why I want you to do it. And so I'm not saying you're not ready. Cause I think that could like shame or,

Oh, of course.

could spiral

[00:22:00] them in different directions. More of this what I want you to do first. Right. And then, then come back to me. no, that's join If

So, what is the process for people to attend or join your program, Patrick? So kind of someone finds you online or they just hear all about the wonderful work you do.

Chris Langley: What's the process for someone to get from

finding you to, you know, coming onto the program?

Patrick Jones: Yeah, great question. So everything is on the website domain, healyouraddiction.com. Once they go there, there's a really cool video up there they can watch. Just sharing kind of the whole program details. And then they just click on the link. the button there and they could fill out something and they get on the phone with me or on a zoom call. And from there, then they, they come enrolled to the program and it is an online program. There is in person component as well, but it's primarily online.

Chris Langley: So, without going into any [00:23:00] names, Patrick, obviously, but can you tell us some success stories? Obviously, you have many success stories, but, but, you know, tell us know the, stories that have made your program so successful. so successful?

Patrick Jones: Yeah, good question. So there are several addictions that I work with, and I think that was one of the things we're going to talk about.

ones that are most dear to my heart are the are the addictions that I, that were my main use addictions, which was food addiction. And it's so, it's so incredible to be able to work with people in food addiction, any addiction, but food addiction because What they're taught and trained is that I can't have this food. I can't have sugar the rest of my life. I can't have a carb the rest of my life. And so when they, when they dismantle that mindset and investigate that thought, is it true that you can't have this the rest of your life?

And there's a lot of like process that I do in some of the frameworks I have, [00:24:00] but the moment, every time this happens, Right? Every time this happens, they, the light bulb goes off and they're like, Oh my God, I didn't know it was okay to have this food, It's like a, it's like a mindset shatter, but this is no different than with, with nicotine, right? So like nicotine, it's not healthy, right? We know that there's labels on there that say on how unhealthy it is, but the actual supplements itself, there's nothing wrong with having nicotine. What fuels the addiction behavior is not the nicotine itself. It's the self judgment that this is bad, that this behavior is bad, which is internally saying, I am bad for doing this. So when somebody in nicotine or any, any type of behavior, gambling is okay. Gambling is normal. I was on a last week somewhere and there were people gambling everywhere. It's normal. [00:25:00] Right? So every time, and usually this happens in the first two weeks of my program, I'm working with somebody and they get these, these mindset perspectives that they've never seen before. just, they just rise up very quickly, very quickly. So these are the types of things that I love to see. brings me joy that the same perspective shift I had to go through. Like six, seven years ago, I unlocked that they unlocked it too, right? Cause it's, it's really deep seated, rooted from these conditioned beliefs. So I just, it's, it's all the, those are the most joyful things for me. I've, I've seen people seven years took them seven years seven different recovery centers, eight different recovery centers. They'll come to me in a week or two and immediately they, they feel that sense of freedom immediately. Right. In one session, I do what's called breathwork journey sessions. And in one session, they release all this discharge that at a treatment center, they didn't get to [00:26:00] release because it wasn't emotional release work, right? When they can release that, they're like, why didn't where, where did you come from? Why, why, why, why, why wasn't this available? Why isn't this in the treatment center? Again, I'm not, I'm not in any way say anything negative about treatment centers. They have their place.

In fact, I had people that refer me to integrate these seven summits post retreat, post treatment,

but what I'm saying, it's, it's not for everybody and it's not meaning it's not the longterm solution results and in different areas of life.

to forward and move past it. Yeah. Okay, that's that's wonderful. so

So we're going to touch on this a little bit touch on little kind of help? because there's such a wide range as you mentioned nicotine alcohol gambling, you know What kinds of addictions Food addiction, gambling addiction, porn addiction, alcohol addiction or alcoholism, however you want to call it. [00:27:00] Those are the primary ones. I primarily work with men.

You the big one for men is obviously alcohol.

That have tried 12 steps or rehabs have been thrown in and out, and they're looking for a alternative. are some gambling on occasion I work with, but primarily food, alcohol, and porn. Are some big ones that, know, people are looking for an alternative for, particularly. But those are the main four, particularly.

Chris Langley: would you, would you say that, porn addiction has grown say over since the internet? I mean, that internet?

Patrick Jones: Oh my gosh. Listen is, it is way too accessible, which is problem.

So like my kids are twins are nine, my boys are 14 and 15. And my twins just got an iPad, right? And, you know, there's internet attached to it. obviously we have to screen and make sure that they don't go to [00:28:00] specific websites, so it's, it's, it's protected, but, you know, is it really protected from them? No. So, I think it's important to talk about these things with your kids.

That's an important conversation to have. the same time, it's way too accessible down the street, your friend John down the street, like on their phones. Yeah.

my, my kids could hop on my phone access it. I think having that as an available choice is definitely rapidly created as a, secret addiction and an unaware addiction, meaning men that, that porn addiction. They think it's normal to, to do their thing three, four or five times a day. right?

They don't even know that it's, it's this destructive, you know, habit that isn't normal. And I think it's because definitely technology has risen and allowed that. And it's an instant [00:29:00] relief, which, which is what people want the fastest instant relief you could have.

Chris Langley: And it's, it's accepted by society more, I think. it's because, given an example in the United Kingdom, they changed the laws around gambling, gambling addiction skyrocketed and

Moving here to America. Yeah. Yeah, I moving here to America, mean, we have it in, Omaha now. and then all these popping up and I just yeah.

I'd wow, Yeah.

this Well, they're, they're, they're Here, here, and here's the problem. You brought up a really good point. These things become big, big giant profit centers.

Patrick Jones: You know, meaning they're, they're taking advantage of these dopamine hits. Right? Which is, which is fine to a degree, though, where the marketing is so seductive of you. Right. The, the, they give out all these free things to go for gambling, right. For this, for that. So they're actually [00:30:00] fueling that behavior to make it more accessible. So I think it's just gonna continue to rise. I mean, yeah, it's not, not something that's talked about the gambling addiction stuff as much, but I think it's something that, a lot of this stuff is in secrecy and it, it, It's important to talk about.

I think it's really important.

It's very, it's kind of considered very different to say a drug a drug where drug addiction is very you they don't see the other side of it.

So it's, it's like someone that's gambling. Let's say I walked in a casino and there was a hundred people right there. Let's say 10 of them are secretly, you know, gambling in an addiction. Nobody would know. Like you could literally look at everybody and you wouldn't know that that person's obsessing thoughts about, about, about, about gambling. They are numb. They are checked out. They're in a high and they can't get themselves off that high, [00:31:00] right.

It's no different than with food, like food addiction, particularly the moment I took a bite of anything that I thought was a bad food, I was done. Nobody would know that I'd be walking around obsessing and thinking about food and where I can get my next cupcake or brownie or ice cream the whole day.

Mm hmm. normal. Right. I'm in a restaurant, but I, I couldn't eat a regular meal. I was secretly eating, you know, more food afterwards, but nobody knew.

It's so secret, you know, food, at a bar. It doesn't matter because it's so, it's so available. And that's, I think the biggest challenge.

Most definitely. Yeah, there's some, there are some big changes that are happening. I mean,

I mean different many, many years ago. So the world is changing.

it's Exactly. Exactly.

Chris Langley: Does, your program promote peer support And how do you ensure that your clients receive the best [00:32:00] they've moved through the stages? And of, you thing?

Patrick Jones: Yeah, yeah, that's a good question. I call it a tribe. we all like one of the things that human beings want, and I believe it's one of the basic human needs is to be part of something, to be part and belong. They want to feel belonging and they desperately want connection. I know for me, I wanted a connection.

I wanted to know that I'm accepted and loved for who I am, just like everybody else. Being human, that's a human condition. So really the most important, one of the most important pieces of uh, my program is, is community, but again, I call it a tribe because you can heal faster. Like I said, when you're in a tribe. When with people that are moving toward a destination um, you're both overcoming challenges together. And the most amazing part of the program is that when someone's at summit [00:33:00] seven or six or five and someone's at summit one, right? They actually are helping them at the same time because they have unlocked these different levels.

They. They're talking about where they were, where they, where they, where they were before, where they are now. They're seeing the difference. This person's seeing the difference. So they are inspired internally from these results. of the things I added recently to my program was, uh, what's what I call freedom mentors. So at the end of set the seventh summit, once you get into a legacy, It's all about giving back and that brings about another level of fulfillment and it's something that just happened organically where They actually the person would will work with the person with the individual that starts in phase one and summit one they'll actually be kind of their mentor through it. I'm not saying it's not like a 12 step where it's like they're available. They have to do certain [00:34:00] things. They're not in charge, not telling them what to

They're not have to attend a meetings. of, Hey, I've been through the journey

and I'm your guide. If you need anything of support, I'm here for you. Right. And they just watch them through the journey and guide them where needed. And the second piece of this is the, tribal transformation aspect of it. So a couple of times a year I'll have an event where we'll come together for tribal healing and tribal regulation where part of healing from some of these addictive patterns is actually re patterning the nervous system, right? When you can actually regulate it during, you know, these months in the program when you come together as a, as a, as a tribe, you can regulate the nervous system as a tribe, which brings about more healing, more elevation, more elevated emotions, more vitality, more clarity, another level of [00:35:00] freedom.

Right? So the tribe aspect of it is, is, has been a main priority for me, the last year in the program.

what I wanted to ask support, because I think I kind of recognize that just from looking, I didn't, it doesn't really necessarily say anything about that on your website, but I kind of saw that that was a very important part of reinforcing the program as well, because you've got well because

levels and know that that explains everything to me perfectly.

Chris Langley: So, so we're just coming to the end

So Patrick, where can people find you and your work online? and how can they reachyour work online?

Patrick Jones: Patrick@healyouraddiction.com is the email. Patrick@healyouraddiction.com. They can go there. They can email me. They can go to that website.Instagram, @PatrickAllenJones. I post a lot of content on addiction, addicts of things, and a lot of education as well. Is A L L A N. And there's a Facebook, business page as well, fan page if you want to hop on there. I do a lot of content on there as well.

So those different places that you can, find me.

Chris Langley: Excellent.

Patrick Jones:I talk that's out there, they'd love to have a conversation.

Chris Langley: I'm sure they'd love to speak to you too. Definitely, Patrick. Last question. Is there anything I've forgotten there our audience to know about Or any future about that you might be having?

Patrick Jones: Ah, good question. You know, it's like, there's, I'm excited about the future. Um, there's a lot Of great things in the future coming.

But I think my, I don't think there's anything you missed um, with questions. But, you know, I think if I can share just a message, that's if I can share something on that.

Chris Langley: please do. Yeah.

Patrick Jones: There's people right now that are in the dark and maybe whoever's listening to this or watching this

 um, you feel like there's no way out. Right? And you feel like you're trapped. You feel like you've tried things that you feel hopeless. You feel like, there's no way out.

you feel alone. You feel helpless. and you don't know how to get out. And I want, I want you to know if you're watching this, listening to this, is that there is a way out.

not every path is the right path for you. And I had to discover this after failing so many times, but I'm so grateful that I failed or it didn't work because I found something that worked. And then I found something else that worked. And then I found six things that didn't work and I went backwards and then I found another thing that worked. And I was like, Oh my God, I didn't know that was available. And so the message I just want to share with your audience is that whatever they're going through, whatever challenge is happening, wherever they're stuck [00:38:00] and they don't feel like they can get out of that. Remember this, you were not born this way.

Youwere born whole, complete. You know, were born to the playful little boy or girl that runs around free. Right? That's nature. And it's all about coming back home. And it's possible for you. Whoever's listening, whoever's watching, whoever's struggling. is a way out. It's possible no matter how hard it is.

Chris Langley:Wow I couldn't have today's podcast any better than that Patrick. better than that

you so much for joining me That was that was amazing you for having me. This was, this was great. Thank you for allowing me on really appreciate you taking the time out of your very, very busy schedule to talk to me and I'll be putting your details and all of the the posts I'm going to be doing about this just below me, [00:39:00] especially on YouTube. Um, but, uh, if, you know, connect with connect with and, you a lot of very important things to say. So thank you very much indeed. You take care.

Awesome.

Thanks, Patrick. Bye bye. Bye.

Bye.